Who is opposing renewables?
Updated Feb 2012
anti wind farm groups
Obviously many individuals hold concerns about the impacts of particular wind farms on their properties, their health or their region. What makes the situation more complex is where groups with clearly anti-wind farm or anti-renewables agendas join the fray.
It is worth considering the agendas and history of these groups to gain a better sense of the politics at play.
What is obvious is that many of the ‘Guardians’ groups are not at all transparent about who they are, what they believe in, or who funds/supports them.
We present some information and links below. It’s also worth reading the article The ugly Landscape of the Guardians by Sandi Keane of the Independent Australia news site.
Australian Environment Foundation
Given the growing involvement of the Australian Environment Foundation (AEF) in supporting ‘Landscape Guardian’ and other groups opposed to wind farm development, it is worth considering who is behind this group.
The following information on the AEF is taken directly from the website SourceWatch (who describe themselves in the following way: “SourceWatch profiles the activities of front groups, PR spinners, industry-friendly experts, industry-funded organizations, and think tanks trying to manipulate public opinion on behalf of corporations or government”.)
The Australian Environment Foundation is a front group founded by the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA), a conservative Melbourne-based think tank.
The director of the environment unit of the IPA, Jennifer Marohasy was the founding Chairwoman and is listed as a Director in the organisation’s documents with the Australian Securities and Investment Commission (ASIC). Mahorasy is also the listed registrant of the group’s website, although the address and phone number for the website registration are identical to the address and phone number for the Victorian office of the logging industry front group, Timber Communities Australia.
In July 2005, the month after AEF’s official launch, it was announced that former television celebrity Don Burke had been appointed chairman.
ASIC documents also listed Mike Nahan, the former Executive Director of the IPA, as one of the other founding directors. The documents also listed AEF’s registered place of business as the IPA office. (Nahan was ED of the IPA until mid-2005).
In a column by Nahan in the Herald-Sun, he described AEF as “pro-biotechnology, pro-nuclear power, pro-modern farming, pro-economic growth, pro-business and pro-environment.”
Australian Environment Foundation (AEF) executive director Max Rheese claims that “Victoria’s wind energy movement is nothing more than a desperate grab for votes by the State Government. It’s a scam, there’s no other way to say it.”
The AEF have opposed the protection of the Red Gum forests along the Murray River. According to the website Greenwash Report, recently promoted activities of the AEF include:
* Public Land Rights Rally held in Echuca on 5 October 2008 to protest against the Victorian Environmental Assessment Council proposals to protect red gum forests of the Murray River
* The launch of the Australian Climate Science Coalition who refer to climate change as the “global warming hoax” and state that “science is rapidly evolving away from the view that humanity’s emissions of carbon dioxide and other ‘greenhouse gases’ are a cause of dangerous climate change”.
You can also find a summary of the AEF put together by Lauren Caulfield (an activist with Friends of the Earth Melbourne) here.
Who are the Landscape Guardians?
The following is taken directly from a post from the EnviroWiki website:
“These astroturf lobby groups have “links to prominent climate change deniers and the British nuclear industry” and have a history of anti-wind farm wind farms activities in Gippsland, McHarg Ranges (near Toboorac) and Wilsons Promontory Victoria “including making misleading statements about wind energy”.
The Landscape or Coastal Guardians “relies heavily for its information and tactics on the British anti-wind farm pressure group Country Guardians. That group was set up by Sir Bernard Ingham, press secretary to Margaret Thatcher when she was prime minister. Sir Bernard is now a director of Supporters of Nuclear Energy, and a former consultant to British Nuclear Fuels”.
(You can check here for an explanation of what EnviroWiki is).
Prominent Victorian Landscape Guardians activist Randall Bell is a climate skeptic.
As reported in The Age newspaper, his argument is that:
Primarily, … the science of climate change is ”hopelessly flawed”. He says claims the Earth is warming are scientifically unreliable, and the idea of man-made climate change is headed for the ”Y2K dustbin”.
The Guardians like to claim they are concerned about many threats to Australian landscapes. For instance, the following quotes come from their submission to the Senate Community Affairs Committee Inquiry into “The Social and Economic Impact of Rural Wind Farms”. This is submission # 6, available on the Senate website.
“What members (of the Guardians) have in common is that they are and have been for much of their life, thinking and practicing conservationists. Landscapes and conservation of the rural environment are our core. We focus on these tasks. We recognise that there are many related problems but are unable to bring resources to such causes. We are certainly not looking for any other bandwagons to jump upon.
The ALG is particularly focused on preserving landscapes.
With our focus we have concluded that that the greatest current threat to landscapes, iconic and otherwise, in South Eastern Australia is the proliferation of wind turbines”.
Obviously the Guardians have not looked into the massive threats posed by coal seam gas or new coal operations, or the many other mega development and greenfield threats across our landscapes.
So in the real world, it is fair to describe the Guardians as being solely an anti-wind organisation. They have recently started to try and portray themselves as being a green organisation.
Even a cursory reading of their submission shows a tendency towards climate scepticism, and the stated belief that the renewable energy industry is basically an ideological development which has happened because governments have a “political desire to respond to the expectations of the metrogreens” (p7 of the submission). If you’re wondering who the metrogreens are, the Guardians are helpful in this regard: they are “generally uninformed about wind energy and, as yet, show little curiosity. They happily inhabit this space pontificating at their coffee houses and dining tables about renewable energy and wind” (p 10).
A summary of some of the basic LG arguments are outlined in our report from an anti-wind information night held in Sunbury in November 2010. It is available here.
RATS of Tooborac
Check here for a thorough analysis of this group. This is also from the EnviroWiki website.
Spa Country Guardians
One of the few Landscape Guardian groups with an active website is the Spa Country Guardians and at least they have information about who they are and what their concerns are. They are based in and around Smeaton and other small towns in the Hepburn shire in Central Victoria, and, according to their website, want to stop “the ‘turbinisation’ of their ancient volcanic landscape”.
You can find their website here.
Waubra Foundation
Who is behind the Waubra Foundation? This is a letter about the leadership of the Waubra Foundation, which bills itself as being “a national organisation formed to facilitate properly reviewed, independent research into the health problems which have been identified by residents living near wind turbines and other industrial sites which may have common cause”.
It says that “At all times (it will) establish and maintain complete independence from government, industry and advocacy groups for or against wind turbines” yet was established by Peter Mitchell, a prominant spokesperson for the Australian Landscape Guardians and its entire board is composed of people who are actively opposing wind farms.
A note on sources used here
We strive to be transparent in identifying where our information comes from, hence the links to the source material.
For details on who is producing this website, please check the ‘about’ section. Yes 2 Renewables is run by Friends of the Earth Melbourne.
Marsy
November 17, 2010
Thanks for setting this website up and exposing who’s behind this anti-windfarm ‘movement’.
Its just the help I need to reply to those ‘Landscape Guardians’ who seem to want to destroy this industry.
It seems that self-interest prevails over common sense and long term protection of our environment. Surely they can’t prefer a great big hole in the ground and the dinosaur that is Hazelwood to renewables?
Anti windfarmer
November 17, 2010
Where are you from marsy?
Self interest is an interesting concept to bring up. If they built a wind tower 500m from your house would you complain?
The only self interest I have seen in the district where i live is people desperate to make money from an a useless industry. It is very easy to then claim you are doing it to save the environment, whoever you might be – greedy lawyers/developers who saw an opportunity to make some quick money by setting up a so-called “Wind Power” company, power companies who will charge us higher prices, or politicians who have a vested interest in getting wind farms established at all cost.
David Clarke
November 18, 2010
No-one is building turbines 500m from homes Antiwindfarmer.
You said that wind power is a useless industry; in 2009 17% of SA’s electricity came from wind turbines; due to wind turbines SA was the only Australian state to reduce its greenhouse gas production in the period 2007 to 2009; due to wind turbines SA is now a net exporter of electricity, several years ago SA was a net importer of electricity.
Anti windfarmer
November 18, 2010
Okay I may have exaggerated by saying 500m, but the facts are that the building of wind farms has had an negative effect in some communities such as Waubra. Seven landholders in close proximity have now been bought out by Acciona after the building of the wind farm due to noise concerns – refer to thecourier.com.au.
Look up the stockyard hill wind farm website and you will see how many houses are within 2 km of towers – you will find more than a few.
You may claim that buying properties is just to shut these silly people up, because all the “evidence” irrefutably shows that wind farms do not affect peoples health (in your educated opinions??).
However, if the effects are psychological or physiological the wind towers are still harming people and that cannot be denied. If you would like wind power to produce energy that is affordable, without having any significant effect on community health you would have to build them in unpopulated areas. I can’t see how this could be done, when you take into account the high cost of power transmission to populated areas.
Wind power and the way it has been thrust onto rural communities is morally corrupt and will continue to be if it continues on the way it is now. Don’t be surprised if sitting ALP members such as Joe Helper MP, member for Ripon (and about the most arrogant politician you would ever meet!) are well beaten in the upcoming Victorian election. It will be a strong message that most people don’t want to be guinea pigs living around wind farms.
cam
December 2, 2010
@Antiwindfarmer – Funnily enough, even though he lost some votes, Joe Helper in Ripon fared better than average for the ALP in the 2010 state election and held onto his seat. Quite small swing on 2PP basis.
Marsy
December 2, 2010
Hello Antiwindfarmer. I’m from the Ovens Valley. I would be happy to have a wind tower not only 500m from my house, but closer would be fine with me too. I would rather that than a hole in the ground and god knows what kind of emissions that the residents of Morwell have to cope with. What is your solution to our power generation problems? I have no problem with people being anti-anything, as long as they can offer a viable alternative. I would say that the “moral corruption” you suggest is associated with wind power is minor incomparison to corruption associated with the coal industry.
Ron Fletcher
December 8, 2010
Dear pro wind farmers,
Like all of you I have spent years believing in the delusions of people like Cam and his cohort of radical greenies, burn your bra, commie lunies.
Fortunately for me (and the planet and human race as a whole) I recently had a chance meeting with a very knowledgeable woman who set me on the right path as I will now attempt to do with you lot.
She explained to me (and with plenty of evidence to back it up) that the storms and unpredictable weather patterns we are now experiencing are caused not by these mythical “Greenhouse gasses” but by the activity of the very wind turbines you silly people support agitating the air.
This woman assured me that she knew what she was saying because “I used to live on a farm and we never had storms like this, now we’ve got these windmills everywhere and we’re having all these storms, you see we’ve just got to get rid of all those towers” and so you see the windmills are causing the storms.
On reflection and deep contemplation this information it is further apparent to me that because I have seen wind turbines and so, I know they really exist and do in fact agitate the air it is reasonable to expect that they are having an effect on something (every action…).
On the other hand I have never seen a greenhouse gas and have to rely on scientific information to accept that they even exist and as scientists are the very people responsible for it all (be it windmills or gasses) why should I trust them.
Added to this, the fact that I can stop a wind turbine but I can’t stop a gas (as any lentil munching greenie knows).
So I ask you all to come together now, join hands and together we will save the planet from the greenie hoards. Come on over, it’s easy to see me, it doesn’t matter how far away I am you can still see me if you just forget that ridiculous stuff you were fed by scientists about the earth not being flat – it’s so much better when you accept that it’s flat, you can see for miles (but don’t fall off the edge I’ve lost a lot of friends like that).
Toodloo for now, I have to go, I think those rascally fairies are starting up a petition to build a wind turbine in my back yard again. Oh they are so bothersome sometimes! Shoo, Shoo, yes I can see you down there you little buggers, now be off with you before I release my giant rabbit to hunt you down and tear your cute little fairy throats out.
Ron Fletcher
December 8, 2010
On a slightly more serious note than my previous post, the woman I met this morning really did believe that the wind turbines are causing the worlds weather patterns to go mad and that the only solution to the worlds woes was to get rid of them all ASAP.
It’s interesting to note some of the arguments above which mostly seem to revolve around the potential health effects of turbines.
One comment from “Anti Windfarmer” (as this person is too ashamed of their own name I suppose we just call them Anti).
So, Anti, your argument that wind farms haven’t been around long enough for us to know for sure about potential health effects is quite correct, we only have to look at power lines and mobile phone towers for that, however, coal fired power plants have been around long enough and we do know, beyond a shadow of a doubt that they produce massive amounts of toxic pollutants and greenhouse gasses.
Your argument that “if the effects are psychological or physiological the wind towers are still harming people and that cannot be denied” has some validity, but I suffer psychological and physiological harm every time I drive through that toxic dump they call the Latrobe Valley and it’s effect is well proven and much more widespread and substantial than any possible effects from wind turbines.
The other option is nuclear power plants which create poisons that will be deadly much longer than humans have even existed on this planet and we have no sensible method of dealing with it coupled with the constant spectre of Chenobyl andthat’s one I don’t want in my backyard.
Mind you I also think that Marsy is off with the fairies if she’s willing to have one too close to her house; we don’t have conclusive evidence that they don’t have ‘some’ effect and so common sense says that we treat it with caution.
We all want power, otherwise how can we pontificate at each other over the Net, so if we want power, for our own sake and the planets future we need to use the cleanest option possible and that is definitely alternate.
Wind is a sensible option, it blows most of the time and particularly here in Australia most of it blows over land that’s not that productive and where there aren’t many people.
Unfortunately, most of us have a frantic “not in my backyard” philosophy but if we want to have power it seems like we have the choice between a wind turbine or a nuclear power plant.
It is an unfortunate truth that some people are going to be inconvenienced by towers being built, but that’s life – life is compromise and it seems to me that we can compromise between wind or nuclear and accept that either one has to be in some ones backyard.
So accepting that it has to be in somebody’s backyard, it seems to me to be simply “Do you want a find turbine or a nuclear power plant in your backyard?”
I don’t want either but I know I have to have one, so I’ll opt for a wind turbine, but not too close to my house and I’m happy with a bit of VD (voltage drop) because of the extra distance.
Bye Bye
Ron Fletcher
December 8, 2010
I just saw on the news that the literacy and numeracy skills of Australian teenagers has declined over the last 10 years. As this is about he time we’ve been building wind farms I have to ask “Is the low frequency noise generated by these infernal machines that is making our kids dumber? It couldn’t be our parenting skills, or the education system, so we may as well blame this too on the greenies and their dastardly machines “DAMN YOU CAM WALKER, DAMN YOU TO HELL”. Well maybe not all the way to hell, perhaps just to Collingwood (which is full of Yuppies and so quite similar to Hell).
Sorry Cam, I will try to control myself in future posts it’s just that if I don’t laugh at the world and some of the arguments I hear against sane things like wind energy sometimes I might cry and that’s just not manly.
Godog
December 11, 2010
Hi,
I just came upon this site and found you people carrying on as if this whole energy thing mattered to anybody.
There are much more serious issues impending which will definitely effect the entire human race within the near future if you people don’t get your heads out of your butts and realise that all the issues you currently hold dear and consider important are simply a smokescreen to hide the real dangers and keep you barking up the wrong tree until it’s too late.
The only person who seems to have any real understanding of what’s really happening in the world is the poor person that deluded fool Ron Fletcher chose to ridicule in his first post; I can only assume that his second post was made after he realised what a fool he had made of himself in his first post.
If any of you think that you may have the intellectual capacity to accept and understand the truth I suggest you go to the Project Camelot website http://projectcamelotportal.com/.
And really, for the planets sake, try to get off your “alternate energy” high horse and stop worrying about real or imagined conspiracies of “Who’s funding who”, and “Who’s a front group for who”; after you read Project Camelot you will realise that none of that matters and that you, in fact, are the tools of the worst of the worst.
Godog
December 11, 2010
If you understand the TRUTH about our time on this planet; that human beings are over a trillion years old and that this is the third planet we have inhabited and exhausted then the fact that this planet is near its use by date becomes insignificant.
Our lifestyle is really no different to the Slash & Burn agriculture used by many indigenous people around the world, it’s just that we do it with whole planets; we’ll leave here soon but in a few billion years we might return if this place is worth re-using for a while.
Why do you think we’ve been able to make such tremendous leaps forward in technology in under a century; my father saw the first car come to his home town and then saw people walking on the moon (if that really happened and wasn’t just another part of their smokescreen). We were guided to the Roswell site (and so many others you don’t even know about) and given the tools to reverse engineer the technology we found there to prepare for our next migration, the thing most people don’t know is that that technology is ours – Roswell is where we landed when we first came here.
The Bible says that we are given dominion over the plants and the trees and the animals, that is because the Bible is simply a “How To” book for humanities lifestyle as an interplanetary Slash & Burn agricultural society.
Don’t let them blind you with their conspiracy theories; the greatest conspiracy theory is convincing the gullible that there are conspiracies, By doing this they are effectively throwing dust in the air to hide the truth.
The fact that we have exhausted the energy supplys of this planet doesn’t matter, the fact that we have wars all over the place doesn’t matter, the fact that this planet is about to die doesn’t matter. When we leave here for the next planet we won’t have enough room for all those people out there, we need the wars and the famines and the droughts and the energy shortages to allow natural selection to reduce humanities size to a manageable number.
Our only concern at this time needs to be to ensure that we are among the ones to lift off and start the entire cycle going once again.
Remember: THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!
Godog
Big Bang Theory
December 12, 2010
Well, it’s good to find people out there concerned about energy. If we are to progress to the next level of consciousness and humanity then we need to evolve our energies along side this (R)evolution.
Humans have been stuck in the rut of energy dependence for far too long and it is time we came to realise that the only True Energy comes from within.
It is only when we, as an evolving society recognise that it is the harnessing and channelling of our intrinsic Sexual Energies that will allow us to expand to our next plane of existence that real change can occur.
It is reasonable to assume that the new external energies we utilise when we reach that next plane need to be from the basic Earth Elements: Earth, Fire, Wind and Water.
Energy from the:
Earth will come to us in the form of Geothermal Energy,
Fire from the Sun through SOlar Energy,
Wind from Wind farms and
Water from harnessing Tidal energy.
It is when we learn to channel these basic elements into a re-usable form of life support that our true evolution will be achieved, however, we cannot expect to reach this plane unless we have first learnt to harness and channel our own inner energy, our Sexual Energy; it is Sexual Energy which is at the core of our very beings and our inability to express it’s power is at the core of most, if not all, of our society’s woes today.
First if we look at violence; there is a multitude of well researched evidence to show that violence and Sexual Energy are intrinsically intertwined. You only need to look at the two great polar opposites, Love and Hate to recognise the connection.
Secondly, our insatiable lust for more power, be it in the form of electricity, fast cars, political or social power or simply the power of dominance of another human being or our environment. Why do you think that the coaches of a lot of professional fighters and sports people ban them from expressing their sexual needs before a contest – because love makes peace and hate is power.
And finally, all the sexual violence our world experiences today is a clear expression of the unsuppressable Sexual Energy that is a core part of all our beings trying to find a way to express itself through all the restrictions, inhibitions and taboos we have constructed around it.
While it is evident that we need to change our sources of external energy to the four elements mentioned above (Earth, Fire, Wind & Water), it is also obvious that to allow ourselves any chance for REAL CHANGE we need first to learn to express, harness and direct our own, inner Sexual Energy. We can never have the world we want unless we are at peace with ourselves and we can never be at peace with ourselves while we repress our most basic energy flow; the Energy of Reproduction, Regeneration, (R)Evolution and Love!
So please join us – build wind farms and make love for our planet!!!
Big Bang Theory
Cam Walker
December 12, 2010
So, when we set up this site we decided that because we wanted to encourage debate about renewables, we wouldn’t censor peoples comments even if they disagreed with us (provided it wasn’t libelious, etc). So with some trepedation we have approved these last few comments.
But in future can people please stick the question of renewable energy here in Victoria. Thanks.
Good luck with finding those extra planets, Go Dog.
Godog
December 12, 2010
It always surprises me that people like the good Mr Walker continually carry on about the New World Order and fail to understand that it is actually the ‘New World’ Order; they are the the group charged with the task of finding and preparing the ‘New World’.
And this might all seem like a joke to you Mr Walker, but our history and legends are actually filled with stories of the move to, and colonisation of earth – who do you think Noah was?
I agree with Mr Walker that posts need to pertain directly to the need for renewable energy in Victoria and commend him in his diligence in maintaining the integrity of the site. I feel confident that my posts do so as they speak directly to the need for any such program.
Ron Fletcher
December 12, 2010
Hi Renewable Energy folk,
It’s good to see that the current Climate Change summit seems to have achieved something; now it’s just up to us to turn words into actions. I think Comby got it right; Abbott needs to start accepting the reality of the situation and get behind the government in taking some meaningful bypartisan action.
We need a price on carbon to encourage investment and more social acceptance of alternatives.
We have a huge, largely unpopulated coastline making us ideally suited for wind and tidal power while our sunbaked country handles the solar but a new system cannot be built on good intentions it needs the power of government and business behind it.
2cherry
December 15, 2010
I went out to the township of Waubra, home to one of Victoria’s biggest wind farms, to determine whether there was any basis to the negative claims against wind farms.
A brief video of this trip can be viewed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-tEsGsIlMA
Regarding noise: it was not audible until I was less than 50 metres away from the turbine. As you can hear from the recording, my own voice and the background noise interfering with the camera was clearly louder than the turbine itself. Cows and sheep in the distance made more noise.
Regarding shadow flicker: at this time of the day, it was clearly not substantial, let alone anything which could be constituted as interfering with visual and residential amenity.
Regarding visual amenity: while they are massive and distinct from a far distance, they are clearly less aesthetically abrasive than any mobile phone tower, transmission line, etc etc.
I came to Waubra with an open mind, keen to appreciate the grievances levelled against wind farms. Instead, I left completely unconvinced of these arguments and unable to comprehend the ‘logic’ underlining them.
I suggest everyone go there with an open mind and see for yourself. I was told by government sources Waubra had been ‘torn apart’ by the issue, and on the other hand, told by energy industry sources that there was a great degree of community acceptance.
Truth is, after to speaking to many townsfolk, in their own words, it was roughly 4 out of every 5 people who didn’t see a problem with the turbines, and there seemed to be a great deal of enthusiasm for the project, particularly given the degree of investment placed in the technology by Acciona.
PClarke
March 26, 2011
This is pretty funny.
http://fossilfools.tumblr.com/
Dave Burraston
April 11, 2011
PClarke, this is not funny, it is outrageous beyond words. The fact you find it funny is beyond belief.
For yours and other peoples information I will inform you about just 2 of those pictures.
The people in the picture titled NIMBY #460 are currently in a court battle, have had their property devalued (as acknowledge by their local council) and had to suffer the noise pollution of turbines :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267250/Couple-sue-380k-driven-home-noise-wind-turbines.html
http://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/local/deeping_st_nicholas_wind_farm_ruling_a_costly_blow_1_575799
The people in the picture titled NIMBY #460 are currently awaiting to have their property acquired as part of the Gullen Range development. Their son and 6 month pregnant daughter in-law, along with 12 other landholders are currently undergoing property acquisition due to the Land and Environment court ruling, as their homes will be rendered uninhabitable once the Gullen Range Wind Farm is built.
As I have stated before, this is the usual “NIMBY” comment, as I have seen elsewhere on this site. Which is the customary approach pushed by the wind developers and adopted by many supporters of renewables to name call and belittle. However, social science research does not support this stance, and it does nothing to engender intelligent debate or support. You will do nothing for community engagement or public support by adopting these kinds of messages :
http://geography.exeter.ac.uk/beyond_nimbyism/index.shtml
Also, see 30 : Additional information received from Dr Richard Hindmarsh, Snr Associate Professor: “Wind Farms and Community Engagement in Australia: A Cricital Analysis for Policy Learning”
Available as a PDF download at the current Senate Inquiry :
http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/clac_ctte/impact_rural_wind_farms/submissions.htm
Dave Burraston
April 11, 2011
Cam, correction to my comment awaiting moderation, my 2nd picture reference should read :The people in the picture titled “I’m already starting to feel crookwell.” not NIMBY#460. My remaining comments stand and I repeat The Fossil Fools website pointed to by PClarke is not funny, it is outrageous beyond words.
Cam Walker
April 11, 2011
hi Dave
thanks for recent comments.
I was just reading them to make some responses but have decided not to. Like you, i am busy, and i guess i want to save my breath (or is that typing fingers) for people that might have an open mind on the wind issue.
You make it clear you just don’t think wind is ever going to work, and then you talk about writing you’d done for Barry Brook. He is the most one eyed apologist for the nuclear industry that i have personally met. The main line i hear from him is ‘if you don’t support nuclear power, you’re not serious about climate change’. He has been defending nukes through the Japan crisis. If you honestly think he’s someone thats good to quote, then lets just say your credibility takes a big dive with me.
And, as per my previous notes to you, i am genuinely am interested in your plan/ ideas for something better if you don’t like wind, and the response you give is effectively you don’t have one but you’re happy to critique everyone elses. Sorry, this just doesn’t seem good enough if you’re going to organise so strongly against one technology.
So, good luck to you, but i think i’ll stop engaging now (if you need to make one last response to me thats fine, but i doubt i’ll pick up the correspondence from here). cam
criticalblogger
April 25, 2011
Who is opposing renewables?
Interesting question. I wonder what the answers would be if the question was worded a slightly different way:
Who is opposing the centralized control and management of their social, economic, lifestyle, human rights by a small groups of global baking and aristocratic elites?
Same issue, same question, different wording.
See my blog for details, research Agenda 21 and ask yourself why you’ve never even heard of it before.
Cam Walker
April 26, 2011
thanks, whoever you are, i hadn’t heard the global wind/ illuminati conspiracy rave for a while, its always entertaining.
Lets not forget that if the antis get their way with arbitary exclusion zones across whole areas and 2km set backs from turbines, they will kill off any further chances for community owned wind farms here in Victoria. Initiatives like Hepburn Wind are the absolute opposite of centralised energy systems controlled by multi nationals.
So, perhaps the antis are really the ones doing the dirty work for the ‘global baking and aristocratic elites’ by ensuring our power supplies continues to come from multinational energy companies like those who currently run our coal fired power stations…?
Arthur
April 26, 2011
Pause for a moment and imagine the world run by global baking elites! Might be worth giving it a go.
Cam Walker
April 26, 2011
Ah yes, the global ‘baking’ elite. I assume that would involve croissants. Proving that its the French who are behind it?
Robert Moran
May 28, 2011
Note: this post has been put in the ‘soapbox’ section as it was a general comment on wind energy.
You can find it here.
http://yes2renewables.org/the-soapbox/soapbox-wind-energy/#comment-838
Sandy
November 28, 2011
It appears that Sarah Laurie is claiming to be a doctor to the UK press and that her foundation is apparently a medical foundation, not just an anti-wind group.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/286414