Senate Inquiry into the Social and Economic Impact of Rural Wind Farms

The inquiry is now closed. It is expected to report back by June 14, 2011.

UPDATE: JUNE 14: it appears that the release of the report will not happen until this thursday at the earliest.

You can find the submissions sent to the Committee here.

background

Please make a submission to the federal inquiry into wind farms.

The Senate is inviting submissions in writing up until the 10th February. You can send your submission via email to community.affairs.sen@aph.gov.au.

More information on the inquiry, including the terms of reference, can be found here.

It is important that the Senate Committee hears from as many supporters of climate change action and renewable energy as possible.

The following is a draft submission for you to consider sending if you are short on time.

A personalised submission will be more effective. If you want to write your own, you may want to elaborate on the following key points:

·    Renewables (and wind in particular) are an essential part of our response to climate change, and the Senate Committee should not propose provisions that would make the development of this industry more difficult or onerous
·    Current research and scientific investigations have found that there are no adverse health effects for people living in close proximity to wind farms
·    Research conducted on modern wind turbines has shown that the levels of low frequency noise and infrasound are within accepted thresholds
·    Studies have found no statistical evidence that wind farms reduce property values
·    The employment benefits are substantial and widely spread across regions, and provide considerable opportunities for individuals and communities where they are located, including the land owners who host turbines
·    Wind farms are widely supported in the community

You can also send a submission via the Hepburn Wind blog.

Draft submission

(Please note that you must include full postal address and contact details).

Department of the Senate
PO Box 6100
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
Australia

By email: community.affairs.sen@aph.gov.au

Dear Sir/ Madam,

A Response to the Social and Economic Impact of Rural Wind Farms

Please accept  my submission to the Senate Inquiry into the Social and Economic Impact of Rural Wind Farms.

With what we know about climate change and the need to greatly reduce our greenhouse emissions this decade, it is clear to me that we will need to move away from our current reliance on coal and other fossil fuels to meet our energy needs as soon as is humanly possible.

The good news is that we already have the technology to do this. The facilitation of a massive roll-out of renewable energy across Australia will be essential if we are to have a hope of reducing our emissions sufficiently to have a chance of avoiding dangerous climate change.

Wind is currently the most advanced and cheapest option for us to begin the transition away from coal. Well planned wind energy projects must be a cornerstone of this new renewables industry.

Wind energy is of great benefit to communities in regional Australia and is already producing a considerable job yield and also direct financial support for many farmers and other land owners. In 2009-10 alone, wind energy in Australia generated almost $1.6 billion in investment (Bloomberg, New Energy Finance, 2010). The wind industry is of huge economic importance to the nation, not only through the creation of jobs during the development, construction and ongoing operation of the wind farm but also throughout the supply chain, including the manufacturers and suppliers of products and services to the industry. The supply of steel for wind turbine towers is just one example of the importance of the wind industry to Australian manufactures and suppliers.

Apart from direct jobs in the industry, there is considerable ‘down stream’ employment opportunities, as well as an obvious economic boost for towns and communities which helps to diversify and strengthen opportunities in these communities. This in turn reduces the need for individuals to leave these areas to seek employment. A key advantage of wind farm development is that the jobs created by are spread over several regions, not concentrated in a few areas, as tends to occur with larger scale fossil fuel plants such as coal.

I would like to respond to specific areas of interest outlined in the scope of the inquiry.

“This inquiry will look into the social and economic impacts of rural wind farms, and in particular:
(a) Any adverse health effects for people living in close proximity to wind farms”;

Current research and scientific investigations have found that there are no adverse health effects for people living in close proximity to wind farms.

The following is a summary of some key research in this realm:

·    The National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) recently found that “there is currently no published scientific evidence to positively link wind turbines with adverse health effects”.

·    In addition the World Health Organisation states that “There is no reliable evidence that sounds below the hearing threshold produce physiological or psychological effect”.

·    The Victorian Department of Health (WorkSafe, 2010) after examining both peer reviewed and validated scientific research also concluded that “the weight of evidence indicated that there are no direct health effects from noise (audible or inaudible) at the levels generated by modern wind turbines.”

Further international studies in North America and the United Kingdom also support this finding.

For instance, the American and Canadian Wind Energy Associations established a scientific advisory panel comprising medical doctors, audiologists and acoustic professionals from the US, Canada, Denmark and the UK. This panel concluded that labels such as “wind turbine syndrome” are not a recognised medical diagnosis but rather reflective of symptoms associated with annoyance. Factors culminating in annoyance include the nocebo effect defined as “an adverse outcome, or worsening of mental or physical health based on fear or belief in adverse affects”.

The large volumes of negative media coverage related to the effects of wind turbines we are seeing in Australia only serve to create fear in some people that they will experience adverse effects from wind turbines. Often once the farms are actually operating, the resulting intrusion is far less than had been anticipated by people living around the developments.

Research produced by Sonus for the Clean Energy Council (CEC) highlights this fact – it found that once wind farms are built, the rates of complaints are very low in Australia and New Zealand. It also found that if a noise can be heard, then annoyance can result for some people, regardless of the noise level experienced.

This effect is backed up by the NHMRC review which concludes “It has been suggested that if people are worried about their health they may become anxious, causing stress related illnesses. These are genuine health effects arising from their worry, which arises from the wind turbine, even though the turbine may not objectively be a risk to health” (Chapman, 2010).

(b) Concerns over the excessive noise and vibrations emitted by wind farms, which are in close proximity to people’s homes;

Research conducted on modern wind turbines has shown that the levels of low frequency noise and infrasound are within accepted thresholds.

Modern wind turbines can generate noise across the frequency range of human hearing. As with most sounds, some of this energy occurs below the level of human hearing.  Human hearing ability ranges from 20Hz to 20,000Hz, with 1dB being the smallest change in noise that humans can detect. Low frequency noise refers to noise in the range of 10 to 200 Hertz (Hz) and infrasound occurs in the range of 20 Hz down to 0.001 Hz – below what the human ear can pick up. Low frequency noise and infrasound is emitted by many other natural sources, for instance wind passing through trees or waves at a beach or human-made sources such as industrial processes, air-conditioning and vehicles.

There is currently no peer reviewed scientific data to suggest that the levels of low frequency noise or infrasound emitted by wind turbines make humans sick. Research to date has not shown any negative health effects at the sound levels produced by operational wind turbines.

Advances in technology mean that noise from wind turbines is minimal. Research conducted on modern wind turbines has shown that the levels of infrasonic noise and vibration radiated from modern wind turbines are at a very low level; so low that they lie below the threshold of perception, even for those people who are particularly sensitive to such noise and even when very near to turbines (British Wind Energy Association, 2005).

The first wind turbines for large scale generation of electricity began operating over 100 years ago. There are now more than 150,000 turbines installed globally, and some of these have been in place for more than 20 years. With decades of successful wind turbine operation, there has been ample opportunity for any negative effects to be identified. The fact that no credible scientific research has identified any negative effects supports the prevailing view that wind power is one of the safest ways of generating electricity.

In contrast, coal-based energy production, which is a major contributor to our current greenhouse gas emissions, is literally fuelling climate change and hence impacting directly on human health. The individual and public health implications of climate change are well documented, widespread, and already occurring on massive scale. For instance, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) suggests that 150,000 people around the world actually die as a result of climate change every year (World Health Organisation). Climate change science tells us that the recent massive flooding in many parts of Australia is indicative of the type of extreme weather events we can expect in coming decades unless we take substantial action at a global scale to reduce emissions to a safe level. It is easy to see the massive human suffering that has come with these floods, and imagine what could happen to many individuals, families and communities in coming decades should we decide to take insufficient action on climate change as we experience ever more natural disasters. Australia, as one of the highest per capita greenhouse gas emitters, and one of the richer nations on the planet, must show leadership in reducing our emissions. We need big picture thinking if we are going to be able to respond at sufficient scale to the problem of climate change. Yet growing numbers of people engaging in the domestic debate around energy are incredibly focused on themselves and perceived impacts on their amenity from the wind industry. Fear stories always make for good copy in the media. However, I would trust that a committee reporting to the Australian Senate will be able to think more grandly than that, and see that many of the claims of ill-health associated with wind energy are over stated or based on conjecture.

There has been research carried out locally about possible impacts of infrasound. Wind operator Pacific Hydro commissioned Sonus to measure and compare infrasound levels from wind farms and some common environment infrasound sources, both natural and human-made. The report titled “Infrasound and Measurements from Wind Farms and other Sources” demonstrated that the levels of infrasound produced by wind turbines is well below established perception thresholds and, importantly, is also below levels produced by other natural and man-made sources.

Infrasound was measured at two wind farms – Clements Gap in South Australia and Cape Bridgewater in Victoria. As a comparison, measurements were also taken in the Adelaide CBD and suburbs, at the beach, on a coastal cliff, inland from the coast and at a gas-fired power station. At all these locations infrasound was not audible to the human ear and the infrasound was recorded at higher levels on the beach and in the Adelaide CBD than it was near a wind turbine. The report re-affirms that infrasound is not unique to wind farms and provided further evidence to support existing data which shows that infrasound emissions from operational wind farms are significantly below recognised perception thresholds.

(c) The impact of rural wind farms on property values, employment opportunities and farm income;

Studies have found no statistical evidence that wind farms reduce property values.

An assessment of 45 property sales located within a 10 kilometre radius of 8 wind farms sites was made by the NSW Valuer General. It considered the impact of wind farms on surrounding land values and found that wind farms do not appear to have negatively affected property values. No reductions in sale price were evident for rural properties located in nearby townships with views of the wind farm.

The findings of the NSW Valuer General are consistent with studies in the United States and United Kingdom which also found no statistical evidence of reduction in property values associated with the development of wind farms.

An extensive and rigorous assessment of the relationship between wind farms and property values was completed in December 2009 by U.S. Department of Energy’s (DOE) Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (LBNL). The report titled “The Impact of Wind Power Projects on Residential Property Values in the United States: A Multi-Site Hedonic Analysis” was based on site visits, data collection and analysis of almost 7,500 single-family home sales in areas where wind farms have been developed. The data was collected on homes situated within 10 miles of 24 existing wind facilities in nine different U.S. states. Each home in the sample was visited to collect important on-site information such as whether wind turbines were visible from the home. The home sales used in the study occurred between 1996 and 2007, spanning the period prior to the announcement of each wind energy facility to well after its construction and full-scale operation.

The analysis revealed that home sales prices are very sensitive to the overall quality of the scenic vista from a property, but that a view of a wind farm did not demonstrably impact sales prices. Neither the view of wind farm nor the distance of the home to wind farm was found to have any consistent, measurable, and significant effect on the selling prices of nearby homes.

The Berkeley Lab researchers also did not find statistically observable differences in prices for homes located closer to wind facilities than those located further away, or for homes that sold after the announcement or construction of a wind energy facility when compared to those selling prior to announcement. Even for those homes located within a one-mile distance of a wind project, the researchers found no persuasive evidence of a property value impact.

Another Canadian study by consultants Canning & Simmons, 2010 demonstrated “where wind farms are clearly visible, there was no empirical evidence to indicate that rural residential properties released lower sale prices than similar residential properties within the same area that were outside of the viewshed of a wind turbine”

The employment benefits are substantial.

The benefits of wind farms to local regions are not confined to the initial investment in the project. They also provide a reliable and on-going income for landowners, direct employment opportunities for locals, and flow-on employment for local businesses through provision of products and services to the project and its employees.

This is demonstrated in a study titled “The Economic Impact Assessment of the Hallett Wind Farms” prepared by SKM which investigated the economic impacts that AGL’s Hallett wind farm project had on the mid-north region of South Australia. The report found that $800 million had been spent on the projects, including $88 million spent directly in the region, and the creation of 98 construction jobs and 15 ongoing jobs directly created by the wind farm, which will increase to 42 upon completion. The study also found that for every job created directly by the wind farms, at least three further jobs are created indirectly.

I would also like to point out that unlike coal and coal seam gas (CSG) production – which are significant and growing threats to agricultural communities in a number of parts of the country – wind energy is compatible with grazing and crops. It occupies less land area per kilowatt-hour (kWh) of electricity generated than any other energy conversion system, apart from rooftop solar energy.

(d) The interface between Commonwealth, state and local planning laws as they pertain to wind farms;

I certainly accept the need for robust planning processes, to ensure wind farms are placed in appropriate locations. Equally, the wind industry accepts the need for effective standards for wind projects.

I would urge caution in regards to making substantial changes to existing guidelines simply to appease the vocal but relatively small number of opponents to wind energy, as appears to be the case in Victoria where the new Coalition government has announced a very restrictive wind energy policy.

Like any infrastructure project there may be a small number of local community members who do not support a specific development proposal. Planning policies should recognise this, while balancing the need for outcomes in the greater public good.

Wind farms should not be required to meet unnecessary higher standards than what is faced by other infrastructure developments such as coal mines, conventional power stations or other major industrial operations.

I believe that the planning systems already in place provide a sufficient framework to assess proposed developments, and thus balance the benefits of wind farm development with any impacts that may arise. Further, many jurisdictions have already introduced some form of planning provisions to cater for any unique characteristics of wind farms. Unnecessary burdens on clean energy development are contrary to the government’s 20 per cent renewable energy target and are detrimental to the attraction of clean energy investment and the creation of clean energy jobs in Australia.

Wind energy proponents already apply rigorous processes to their developments to ensure they are appropriately managed and mitigate potential impacts on the environment or the amenity of local communities. Extensive and exhaustive assessments are undertaken by proponents prior to submitting a development application to determine whether a wind farm is feasible on a specific site and as to whether there are any potential environmental or social issues that will impact upon the viability of a proposal.

In addition to this, proponents engage with a range of stakeholders at early stages of feasibility assessment to determine whether there are any further environmental, cultural or amenity impacts that need to be understood and responded to as part of the development. Stakeholders that are consulted include not only the local community, the landowners, local council, but also the State and Federal Governments, government agencies such as CASA, Network Service Providers, electricity retailers, indigenous groups and other specific interest groups including groups advocating in relation to local fauna or flora.

The final form of the proposed development is often substantially different from the original plan, because of issues that have arisen during the planning and approvals phase. I would argue that this shows that existing systems are working effectively to find the balance between what a developer wants and what the community will support.

There are numerous planning requirements currently in place at Federal, State and local government levels. The interplay of these existing laws already create a sometimes ineffective and unnecessary hurdle to the development process of wind farms, with differing regulatory controls in different jurisdictions making it more cumbersome for developers working across jurisdictions. Certainly, the intention of the Coalition government in Victoria to introduce an exceptionally restrictive set of guidelines will negatively impact on the further development of wind energy in that state.

Adding additional regulatory controls would only act to add to this red tape and make wind energy more expensive.

The industry group for the sector, the CEC, has previously highlighted concerns with the Draft National Wind Farm Development Guidelines. In 2008, a report was developed for the Environment Protection and Heritage Council (EPHC) Report on Impediments to Environmentally and Socially Responsible Wind Farm Development. This report identified that the existing approval systems in the jurisdictions are generally robust and that many of the issues that have been identified are adequately dealt with through the existing procedures.

National guidelines do have the potential to encourage greater consistency between State planning regimes and remove impediments to further development. However the Draft National Wind Farm Development Guidelines as currently proposed only add substantial impediments to wind farm development beyond those imposed on other infrastructure investments, reducing certainty for the planning assessment process by introducing additional, and often conflicting guidelines. This would add additional costs and delays to wind farm developers without delivering improved outcomes.

(e) Any other relevant matters.

I would like to briefly address the following additional, and very relevant, points:

Community support

It should be remembered that while there has been a vocal campaign organised by some people and organisations against the development of the wind industry, it remains well supported in the broader society.

For instance, a Newspoll survey commissioned by the Clean Energy Council in December 2009 found that in regional areas 90% of people said that Australia should produce more renewable energy.

Similarly, an AMR Interactive survey commissioned by the NSW government in mid 2010 on community attitudes to wind farms, found wind farms were regarded as an acceptable form of power generation by 81% of the population. The survey also found that 80% of residents were supportive of wind farms being built in their local region and more than 60% supported them at 1 – 2 kilometre from their residence. There was also broad acknowledgement of the benefits of wind farms to the local community including economic and employment benefits and broad endorsement of more wind farms being built in the area.

Greenhouse abatement

The other obvious benefit of wind farms is the greenhouse emissions abatement that they provide.

A study by MMA on “Estimating Greenhouse Gas Emissions Abatement from Wind Farms in NSW” found that wind displaces fossil fuel generation and can act to lower wholesale electricity prices. Wind reduces demand for electricity from other sources, which are typically fossil fuel based generation. An average sized wind farm of 150 MW will displace from 150 kt CO2e to 450 kt CO2e per annum, while a large (500MW) wind farm will displace from 900 kt CO2e to 1,600 kt CO2e per annum.

The level of greenhouse gas abatement varies depending on the location of the wind farm. Increased greenhouse abatement occurs for wind farms located in areas with good quality wind resource which are close to electricity users or high quality transmission lines. For many projects the commercial viability of a wind farm relies on optimisation of wind turbine types and layouts to maximise the electricity output which in turn would result in the highest emission abatement. This is of particular relevance for this inquiry.

The MMA study also found that the emissions resulting from the manufacture, construction and operation of wind farms are low relative to those associated with the manufacture, construction and operation of large fossil fuel plants. For a 50 MW wind farm of average output it takes about 14kg CO2e/ MWh to manufacture, build and operate it. This represents less than 2% of the typical emissions reduction that such a wind farm would achieve from displacing fossil fuel generation.

Low water consumption

An additional benefit of wind energy is the fact that unlike traditional cower-fired power stations it does not consume any water for generation. Coal powered stations require large quantities of water to generate steam to drive the steam turbines, and for cooling the exhaust steam. Thermal power plants, primarily coal-fired power stations, are responsible for around 1.4 % of total water consumption in Australia (ABS, 2005).

Given the on-going water stress in most parts of Australia, and growing demands for fresh water supplies for agricultural and other human use as well as to ensure environmental flow in our river systems, wind looks even more attractive compared with older, and dirty, coal fired power generation.

Conclusion

I will finish by urging you not to give in to unsubstantiated rumour and outright fear campaigns about wind energy.

With appropriate controls and robust planning processes, wind has proven itself to be an excellent form of energy as part of a broader mix, while driving investment and employment in rural areas and acting to reduce our greenhouse emissions.

21 thoughts on “Senate Inquiry into the Social and Economic Impact of Rural Wind Farms

  1. Hi

    I too made a submission, but it differs from yours. You opinion is either based on the popular view that wind power works or you are a front person for what it among the most powerful lobby group in the world at present. I hope you can see my work when posted on the enquiry web site. You can listen to me on http://www.blogtalkradio.com/youngdan (interview with Val Martin. ) Some countires in Europe have invested heavily in wind power, they are spending so much subsidizing them that their economies are in tatters. My document “the great wind race is available free by e-mailing valamhic@Gmail.com. While we area spending so much on wind power, we are mission the chance to carry out much needed research and devalopment on how to reduce emissions. Wind power can never do that.

    Val Martin phone 353863614853 e-mail valamhic@gmail.com . postel address Drumsallagh, Kingscourt, Co. Cavan, Republic of Ireland

  2. hi Val

    its always good to see people mention who they are and where they are from. I think its so easy to have strong opinions when hiding behind an anonymous email address.

    I don’t think I’ll bother to respond to your points, except to your rather bizarre statement: that the wind industry is the “most powerful lobby group in the world at present”. If only! No, I think you’ll find oil and gas are still a long way ahead on that front.

    But it does look like Val is onto us. Yes, we are a front group. If you are a big and evil corporation please send cheques immediately! Our next project will explain why smoking in nuclear reactors while eating GM food and wearing asbestos clothes is really good for you.

  3. My submission to the inquiry is that each wind farm should have a couple of exposed electrical terminals at the front gate. Those who believe that wind power doesn’t work would be encouraged to put a hand on each electrical terminal to prove their point.

    1. Great to hear some sense of humour. Peter G I hope you do not mind if i quote you on my web site or quote you somewhere. we have to spead the humour of these ludicrous people that can not fathom the possiblity of harnessing air and wind. Is it is not so powerefull then perhaps all the people who cannot fathom the importance of it could stop breathing it and see what happens. That would solve all of our problems.
      Jodie Ranger, Melbourne.

  4. Peter, if you had have lived anywhere near the waubra windfarm over the last few weeks you would have known you would have been very safe for the vast majority of the time!
    And this has been through a hot period of peak demand electricity use!

  5. Mick — it depends. Feb 2nd and 3rd were low performance, but Feb 1st was an excellent day with over 65% capacity factor. You would have been fried!

    You seem to care a lot about intermittancy of wind. Why does it matter to you?

  6. Warren
    The recent meeting “Global Wind Industry and Adverse Health Effects: First International Symposium” held October 29-31, 2010, Picton, Ontario, Canada

    The papers presented at this conference present a very different perspective on human health effects from living near a wind farm
    Prior to putting in a glowing yes to Wind farms I suggest a look at this web site which gives several ‘Technical” papers on the adverse effects noise from living in proximity Wind Turbines . The latest which have a span of 100 metres
    http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/global-wind-industry-and-adverse-health-effects

  7. great submission, and it is crucial that wind power receives strong and effective support. BUT i really really hope the advocacy re noise is well founded. i heard what sounded like quite compelling interviews, i think on 774 or maybe RN a few months ago with rural people who sounded very sane and very distressed, discussing symptoms that sounded serious that they felt coincided with the turbines going in. I am always worried when i see clauses like “there is currently no published scientific evidence…” Have ENGO’s met with people in Vic who are concerned? I would feel a lot more comfortable knowing we have taken a close look at this locally rather than simply referring to EU studies etc. Dealing with fossil lobby groups is one thing. We ignore, or be seen to ignore, concerned local people at our peril. That is supposed to be an ENGO strength. I am sure if there is a prob, and it gets looked at properly, there will be a solution. Andrew, Ballarat.

  8. hi Andrew

    i fully agree, we need data from here. But its very ‘choppy’ out there and very polarised, and there seems to be no one ‘answer’. We talk with lots of people who are fine about the wind farms in their area, and we talk with some who are convinced that the turbines are making them ill. After talking with lots of people i find my own opinions are firming up, but i do accept that a thorough investigation here in Victoria would be something worth supporting.

    We are seeking to get out there to hear what people are saying – through doing info stalls and ‘listening posts’, attending meetings, etc, and always happy to meet with people who have concerns. We don’t have much time for the climate sceptics, but happy to talk with people who have health concerns about wind projects – as you say, if we look at the problem closely we will be able to find an answer.

    Please check the ‘about’ section for contact details if you want to get in touch. regards, cam

  9. I think the discussion on noise and its effects should be taken further. The wind companies only have to measure audible noise presently and claim that low frequency noise is not a problem from turbines (which may be true for some people) But as we know everyone is effected differently from different things. Whether it be turbine noise or the common cold we all react differently.
    I was at the waubra windfarm last year when noise measurement were being taken in the low frequency range and saw readings in excess of 100db coming up around 800mts-1.5 km from the turbines. Research on low frequency suggests that prolonged exposure can cause problems especially with the inner ear. Defence forces have used this as a weapon for many years, but the effects seem to be not well documented. The Hum is another problem attributed to low frequency and is well spread around the world. Research also shows that the number one cause of low frequency is fans.

    And to Peter, intermittancy with anything is a problem i would have thought, would you buy a car if it only worked on say days under 15 degrees? its a bit like buying a wind turbine and it only works when windy, you need something else to use on the other days, so this adds to costs, and who pays in this case? the poor old electricity consumer.

  10. Hi CAM, Andrew and Mick

    my investigations are also showing a lot of ‘choppy’ mixed messaging with very poor quality of data.

    I think we need to progress the discussion on noise in a rational manner. I have been present at several farms during wind measurement exercises and have seen both good and poor science / measurement techniques from both sides of the fence.

    On one occasion the two independent sound engineers almost came to blows over whose measurements were correct. To the amusement of the farmers who both had differing experiences living next to the turbines.

    Having examined the scientific literature I don’t dispute that infra sound at high levels will cause physiological symptoms in humans, which will be of varying severity and impact on the individual.
    The issue is are these levels present in the immediate environment surrounding turbines and in peoples homes! And it is not an easy task to confirm or discount the lnfra sound theory.

    Perhaps I should sponsor a small conference style gathering in say Ballarat or Melbourne of people living with turbines, scientists, engineers and representatives of the interest groups for a day of frank and open discussion of the science and experiences of people living with turbines. Could be fun!

  11. John
    can i just heartily concur with the idea of a conference/ roundtable type gathering. As far as i know, the anti-wind and pro-wind forces have not actually gathered in a convivial way, its normally at public meetings or whatever where its not really condusive to finding common ground.

    We would be very happy to help pull together such a conference, regards, cam

  12. Hi Cam,

    Thanks for the valuable information. I just wanted to point out a typo in the Low Water Consumption section. You have called “coal-fired power”- “cower-fired power”. I can see where you are coming from- coal-fired power certainly makes me cower! :) Thought I’d point it out though, cheers Mira, Climate Action Central Coast

  13. hi Mira
    thanks for picking that up, sadly that one slipped through in our final submission. I will have all our editorial staff sacked immediately. Opps, that would be me…

  14. Hi John, I would suggest a meeting of that type would be a great idea, although i wonder if the wind companies would want to attend as they have not responded to many questions i have put to them regarding this issue, and i know that of others concerned also.
    Since around 2007 wind companies have been very shy of public meetings, it was common before this time, but since then they have been non existant except for meetings organised by community groups.
    If you can get it off the ground im sure there would be many very interested in attending!

  15. hi Mick
    having attended a number of wind forums, my experience is that the noisy/ nasty minority of anti-wind people make the meetings untenable – and often people avoid them as a result because they don’t want to get yelled at.

    So if everyone agrees to basic polite behaviour, i’m sure we would get all parties to the table.

  16. Cam, Although we have overwhelming support for the Hepburn Community Wind Farm, there are still a handful of locals who we understand are not happy with the project. We’ve tried many times to meet with them in non-threatening environments in order to understand the nature of the objections, however our attempts have been universally ignored.
    In regard to public meetings, I’ve been to a number where an anti-wind mob has created a very unpleasant atmosphere where it was clear that civility was a foreign concept.
    If you did manage to organise a forum that was about finding common ground and was not going to be a grandstanding opportunity for thugs, I’d be very happy to attend.

  17. If the wind companies would be honest from the beginning instead of signing up people in secret, answering basic questions truthfully, not using obviously made up propaganda you wouldnt have the problems.
    Where have you been to meetings cam? Ive been to a few around ballarat, unfortunatly none put on by a wind company though, like i said earlier since 2007 this practice was stopped due to the community becoming more aware of the problems and not being let down the garden path by untruths and the promise of cash to a few local groups.
    I can tell you now certain wind industry figures will not attend meetings as they are intimidated by certain people and have been made to look very foolish, although i think most of these blokes went broke and were taken over by origin.

  18. hi Mick,
    most recent mtg I went to was Sunbury late last year. Not been aware of any recent ones over summer.

    Again, I would say that the nasty and disruptive approach by a handful of anti-wind people in and around meetings does a great disservice to the debate we need to have about wind farms in general and specific projects in particular. They need to be honest enough to acknowledge that their behaviour makes public forums untenable. Until they can learn some basic decency
    I don’t see why anyone would bother to turn up to forums, least of all the companies.

    As an aside, the fear of ‘being yelled down’ by antis was a common response we got from rural people when we launched this site.

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